Eric Ries on Toxic founder image and Marc Nager on startups in small town Colorado
https://anchor.fm/s/c7eb5ec/podcast/play/4585174/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fproduction%2F2019-8-9%2F22912249-44100-2-db7c532269092.mp3
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