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Jay Clouse



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Pat Flynn and Matt Gartland – Courses, community, and the future of education

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WATCH ▶️ Watch this episode on YouTube *** EPISODE DESCRIPTION Pat Flynn is the founder of Smart Passive Income as well as a bestselling author, serial entrepreneur, industry influencer, and startup advisor.  Matt Gartland is the CEO of Smart Passive Income and a servant leader whose greatest joy comes from empowering other leaders, teams, and organizations to achieve their potential through sustainable growth. Smart Passive Income is a trailblazer in the entrepreneurial space, developing state-of-the-art content, training, and resources to help you launch and grow your online business. In this episode, you’ll learn how SPI leverages its team, how to make your first hire as a creator, how to create a tiered membership, and why community is the next evolution of online courses. Full transcript and show notes Listen to episode #22 with Matt and Pat Learn more about Smart Passive Income Learn more about SPI Pro Learn more about The Lab Follow Pat Flynn on Twitter / Instagram / YouTube TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Why Is Community So Hot Right Now 01:02 - THIS Is The Problem With Online Courses 01:55 - What You Will Learn Today 02:33 - People Are Craving Experiences to Learn Together 04:11 - The Team Behind Smart Passive Income (SPI) 09:46 - Hiring And Delegating Is GREAT For Mental Health 10:53 - The Creators You Love Have Robust Teams Behind Them 12:35 - Hiring And Managing Is A Whole Different Skill Set 14:32 - How Creators Should Think About Their 1st Hire 17:18 - Should Your 1st Hire Be An Editor? 21:22 - How to Validate and Create a Tiered Membership Program 28:23 - How Jay Structured The Creator Science Lab Membership 29:34 - Guarding Your Time and Access To You 34:36 - THIS is the Future of Online Courses 36:44 - It’s NOT too Late to Get Started 40:54 - Pat Flynn Was Wrong About Email *** CONNECT 📬 Subscribe to the newsletter 🐦 Connect on Twitter 📸 Connect on Instagram 🎵 Connect on TikTok 🙏 Make a guest or mailbag request 📝 Check out our curated Playlists *** SPONSORS 💼 View all sponsors and offers *** SAY THANKS 📞 Leave me a voicemail 💜 Leave a review on Apple Podcasts 🟢 Leave a rating on Spotify ☕️ Buy Me A Coffee *** PODGLOMERATE NETWORK This show is a part of the Podglomerate network, a company that produces, distributes, and monetizes podcasts. We encourage you to visit the website and sign up for our newsletter for more information about our shows, launches, and events. For more information on how The Podglomerate treats data, please see our Privacy Policy.  Since you're listening to Creative Elements, we'd like to suggest you also try other Podglomerate shows surrounding entrepreneurship, business, and careers like and Freelance to Founder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit

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